I think that the American People need to know if the Man who is to be President meet the qualifications and eligibility for the presidency.
How can some one who refuses to present to court and to the people his birth cerificate be allowed to continue the persuit of the precidency. Every and any American Citizen should have the right to sue in court to make sure that the candidate is eligible for the biggest and most important position in America.

I am a canadian citizen who is very interested in your presidential race . I was very disappointed that Hilary Clinton was not the winner during your primary's>
Our canadian system is less expensive and less difficult in chosing our country's leader.

If Mr Obama has nothing to hide and he likes to say that he is running a transparent and honest campaigne, then why is it so difficult for him to produce all the required documents , proving that he is eligable for the office of President of the United States?
Any person with these allegations would not hesitate to correct negative perceptions.

With his hesitation, It would strongly indicate to me that he is untruthful (lying) about his eligability and was hoping that noone would have the forsight to question his eligability.

John Sydney McCain III was born in Panama. Why hasn't his citizenship been raised in the public? I mean, this is insane. Obama has a passport, just traveling overseas several months ago.

The most troubling part of the judge's decision is that an American citizen apparently does not have standing to raise a Constitutional issue. If that is true, then who does? Only Congress? Only a judge?

Of the people, by the people and for the people apparently is no more.

Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out Berg for lack of standing can present a political check-mate “win” on appeal for the anti-Obama side (if not in law, in the Court of Public Opinion). Here’s how: SIMPLY SPREAD AROUND OBAMA’S APPELLATE BRIEF HAVING TO ARGUE AGAINST AN AMERICAN VOTER’S RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Should be a PR disaster for the Dems and Obama!!!

You wuold think Berg would understand law.

Military base in Panama technically is under U.S. jurisdiction and therefore he was born in U.S. territory.

Military base in Panama technically is under U.S. jurisdiction and therefore he was born in U.S. territory.

Military base in Panama technically is under U.S. jurisdiction and therefore he was born in U.S. territory.

If there was any truth to this, I'm sure Hillary would have pursued the manner.

Dear Lisa,
McCain was born in US military base in Panama from US citizen parenets. Children who are born from US citizens paretns automatically become US citizens. (you can read at USCIS website)
For Obama's case, his father was not a citizen. We're not sure whether Obama was (really) born in Hawaii or not. One if his half brother said, he remembered his father brought a young white momen to Kenya and had a baby there (His father was already married to a Kenya woman at that time). Then he married Obama's mother, left her with no child support and married again to another american lady named Jill, who later went to Kenya to teach English. They had (3) children together. Obama Sr. abused her and she came back to the US. Then Obama Sr. had a child with another Kenya woman, the child came out in the media few months ago (George Obama)
Obama was adopted by his step Indonesian brother and both his mother and Obama gave up their citizenships and accepted Indonesian citizenships. When he went to college, Obama filled as "Indonesian" in nationality space. He went to Pakistan with his Indonesian passport. Then both his mother and Obama tried to reclaim their US citizenships around 1986-1987. He also abandoned his Kenya citizenship in 1985 which is also said in obama's "fight the smears" website.

cut me off.. the law and authority to verify a candidate is with the DNC. THEY are satisfied with the validity of the document. The law in almost all states protects a person's right to privacy re birth certificates. Meaning, to demand a court order to "see" someone's birth cert, is violating their rights. Berg is demanding the court give him authority that he as an individual, does NOT HAVE. ANY agency with valid grounds to request the record..have seen it and are perfectly happy that it is valid.

Lisa you learnt a lot from Barry, distraction is his usual tactic. By the way, McCain's problem is not new. In 1936,John McCain was born to American parents, his father serving as a submariner in the US Navy at the Coco Solo base in the Panama Canal Zone.(In 1979, Carter gave it to Panama.)

cut me off.. the law and authority to verify a candidate is with the DNC. THEY are satisfied with the validity of the document. The law in almost all states protects a person's right to privacy re birth certificates. Meaning, to demand a court order to "see" someone's birth cert, is violating their rights. Berg is demanding the court give him authority that he as an individual, does NOT HAVE. ANY agency with valid grounds to request the record..have seen it and are perfectly happy that it is valid. Not only is he asking for a law that does not exist..he has no INDEPENDENT PROOF of any of his wild claims. Abusing the court.

f there was any truth to this, I'm sure Hillary would have pursued the manner....Yes

John Sydney McCain III was born in the Panama Canal Zone which at the time was a U.S. territory like Puerto Rico, Alaska, and Hawaii. He was born in a U.S. Army Hospital to a U.S. citizen mother and father. This question was asked earlier this year and he, Mr. McCain, immediately produced all pertinent documents and thus, quickly ending the discussion.
On the other hand, Hussein Obama has done everything in his power to avoid production of documents pertinent to his true citizenship. He has spent incredible resources to hide any facts that may shed light on the subject.
Mr. Obama travels on a diplomatic passport which any U.S. senator can obtain with ease. This is not proof of birthplace or citizenship.

wendy when other people are suspecting ... you would immediately like to know what he is hiding... (W)right!

This cover-up is bigger than Watergate. Fraud, right in front of eyes of millions of Americans.

HELLO Lisa!!!! Do your homework. Jonh McCain is the son of a military father, who was serving his American country at the time of his birth....ummmm I think, maybe the United States law, makes exception to persons serving overseas. He(John McCain's father...and mother) were(and still are) American citizens at the time of John McCain's birth, therefore, making him also a natural born citizen of the U.S.A.

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is lying by ommission. I am amazed and confused of American people's blindness and ignorence of so many important issues concerning such a vital position as the President of the United States of America.

How sad that our enemies are mocking and laughing at us as we continue to be divided, and seeming stand for unrighteousness across the board.

Oh how are Grandparents, Great-Grandparents....our Founding Fathers would be ashamed.

Let us not forget the legacy we leave our children and grand children. Shame on America and Jesus forgive us if we don't stand for TRUTH and MORALITY.

I'd like to know how one with his (Obama) citizenship in question and apparent past associations with some very "sleazy" people and organizations, would be able to get a "Top Security Clearance" from our Dept. of Defense.

Remember, this guy will have access to all of our top secrets.

He should be upfornt and honest with the American public-after all, he should have to answer to the people of our Great Nation-we have to answer to our employers and that when we apply for employment.

Come on, what is going on here? What's fair is fair.

Is it not true, that when applying for a position, such as an F.B.I. agent, or even an officer of the law, in this country, that there are documents required to validate ones citizenship, and background check to be done to clear the person of any criminal behavior before they will be employed?

How can it be that the same requirement is not expected from a person desiring to be employed by us...the American People???? Does not the President work for the people....why shouldn't we know who he is and where he come from? John McCain has zero problem letting us know who he is.

Some things are understood by default:

Why place a law in the constitution with no way to enforce it, surely it's authors did not deem it necessary for the legislature to write one!
They could in no way have foreseen the citizens of this great nation standby in deafening silence of such an abomination.

Nor could they have ever imagined a man of God preaching- "God Dam America", yet gave men the right to do so!

We the people have the inherit right under the constitution to enforce all it's statutes, we are born in freedom with this burden.

The American Indians know the results of not protecting their borders!
May we never know the results of not protecting our "Constitution" and the resulting calamity!

May God help us to save ourselves and may God Bless America !

Surrick's logic, that voters have no standing to challenge national candidates seems patently absurd to me. I suspect that his illogic will likely get Berg the ear of a higher court. Seriously, has Surrick never heard of the 10th Amendment? What powers not delegated to Congress or the states are reserved to the people... and The Constitution definitely did not delegate the power of policing presidential candidates to Congress... Ergo, it is left to the people.

I had a Top Secret Clearance for 3 Years in the USAF and if at took 3 months to instigate me!! First they checked on the people I gave as references and they double checked second party references!

Senator Obama was born in Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen. That makes him a U.S. citizen. It is the same for Mexican mothers who come to the U.S. and have a child here, the child is a U.S. citizen, even without the mother being a citizen as he/she was born on U.S. soil. They then can get benefits (and do) from the U.S. government for their child even though they are not citizens. It happens all the time in Texas. The people making a stink about Obama are just trying to stop him from becoming President due to some bias against him. If the majority of Americans elect him, then the majority rules in this country and these people should live with it!

you entirely miss the point. NOTHING IS HIDDEN. The valid certificate is on the internet. One person charges it to be forged.. when it isn't. Many people start repeating that it is forged.. and cannot grasp that the original concept of forgery, is exactly what is false. The only suspicion is that based on rumor. The Dem. Natl Comm. has verified him to be eligible.

Actually yes McCain's was born in the Panama Canal zone and people did question his eligibility to be president but he did produce a valid birth certificate.

At Wendy:The company that "verified" Obama's "birth certificate" was a company that Obama just so happend to donate to and he was on the board awhile back. It also has some defects on it too. So You my friend are missing the point. Can he not publicly produce his birth certificate is that so hard?

Diane said: "Barack HUSSEIN Obama is lying by ommission. I am amazed and confused of American people's blindness and ignorence of so many important issues concerning such a vital position as the President of the United States of America."

Diane said: "Barack HUSSEIN Obama is lying by ommission. I am amazed and confused of American people's blindness and ignorence of so many important issues concerning such a vital position as the President of the United States of America." You can't even spell "ignorance" right - what does that say about you? Obama had to produce a birth certificate to a) get a driver's license; b) get married; and c) run for president. So are government officials on the local, state and Federal level all in on some kind of conspiracy to get a non-citizen elected? If you check Hawaii newspaper records from 1961 you will find a birth announcement for him. Does that mean the conspiracy goes back that far? This is so ludicrous as to defy belief. The man bringing about this lawsuit is a known crackpot. The case has been dismissed, and I severely doubt the Supreme Court will see any merit in hearing it. Yall who believe this crap should really examine your true reasons for believing this crazy stuff about Obama. I can see it in your all caps spelling of his middle name, Diane,which he was given by his father,who had the same name. You find it impossible to believe that this candidate,who is half black, is what he appears to be: a very capable and smart graduate of Columbia and Harvard Law School who has worked in public service for over 20 years, and who sincerely loves and wants to serve his country. You will probably never vote for him, and that is certainly your right. But don't call people blind and ignorant for not signing to the fear/smear tactics that this lawsuit is really all about.

(bonnetteblj says...Senator Obama was born in Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen. That makes him a U.S. citizen. It is the same for Mexican mothers..) No comparison..I trust my Mexican friends, they do not lie and they work very hard. Barry was attending Wright anti-American cult group for 20 yrs. and claimed he never knew what Wright was talking about.

To cg: We've heard what you're saying thousand times before.Distracting trick like Barry's lies. Just let your Jim Jones-alike Obamagod show his real person. He is an expert in change like his names. Changes you believe in.

Senator Obama was born in Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen who married an Indonesian, and moived to Indonesian with her son, Indonesian law was that his stepfather was required or adopt him, (to make him an Indonesian citizen) AND to be a Muslim, in order to enroll him in their schools. Indonesian law required Indonesian citizen ship and Muslim relegion to enroll, Dual citizen was not allowed. ABC News(?) has video footage of the registration of Barry Soetoro, a Muslim. Do your homework before offering that it is "the same for Mexican mothers". It isn't. Read the brief

Senator Obama has made a copy of his birth certificate public. According to factcheck.org, Tommy Vietor at the Obama campaign sent a digital image of Obama's birth certificate to factcheck.org and to other reporters. It carries a date stamp of June 6, 2007. It indicates Obama was born at 7:24 pm Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu. Obama quallifies as a "natural-born citizen" to be president.

He was associated with Annenberg.

again. he was associated with annenberg, as were many others. therefore, you conclude the certificate is false. Bad argument, with no facts at all. An "expert" disputing it also is not proof it is false. 1 and 1 do not make 5, unless you choose it to. Ever hear of a house of cards? the "conclusion" that it is fake is the weak link that is completely unproven and remains the core of an internet hoax.

It also shows his father's "race" as African. Not very likely that a 1961 document would recognize that as a race. Colored or Negro would have been more realistic? His mother's race is shown as "Caucasian" not American or European.

More ...
"The 1970 census racial categories included: Chinese, Filipino, Hawaiian, Indian American, Japanese, Negro or Black, other, White, Hispanic origin of any race, and White, not of Hispanic origin. Mexicans were counted as white from 1930 until 1970, when they re-entered the census as Hispanic origin. It was a deliberate effort to count Hispanics without treating them as a race."

Wendy - Loose the talking points and make a factual counter-argument. Annenberg may be apopular fact checker, but that does not automatically make them right. Who authorized them to determine The Truth. Too much paper trail and video documentatin for Barry to support his deceptions, even after revising The Truth on his website. Screen snapshots track the trail of multiple Truths - tax plan $200K or $250K? "All people" get credits or "working people"?

Dependson what day it is, whether he got caught in a lie, and maybe what the meaning of "is, is"
Enjoy your Kool Aid

Regardless of which side of this issue you are on,

Regardless of which side of this issue you are on, you have to ask why Obama will not produce the vault certificate (and, yes, it does exist and is markedly different from the certificate of live birth.) If the man has nothing to hide, why has he and his attorneys gone to such lengths to avoid answering the questions regarding his birth? I favor neither Obama or McCain but I am very much interested in seeing what the result will be should the Supreme Court hear the appeal and what the ramifications will be should Obama prove not to be qualified under the constitution.

If I remeber correctly during his acceptance spech he said his grand ma needed to find his birth certificate for him. By his own omission at that point it had not ben checked. Let's face it anybody could get a driving permit or a passpoort back in the day with forgded documents.

Handled right, the Fed District Court throwing out Berg for lack of standing can present a political check-mate “win” on appeal for the anti-Obama side (if not in law, in the Court of Public Opinion). Here’s how: SIMPLY SPREAD AROUND OBAMA’S APPELLATE BRIEF HAVING TO ARGUE AGAINST AN AMERICAN VOTER’S RIGHT TO RAISE THE QUESTION UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. Should be a PR disaster for the Dems and Obama!!!

Isn't it cheaper to just show your birth cert. than to fight this lawsuit? What is Obama hiding? God bless those that are filing the lawsuits on our behalf. Thank you.

The scary thing is that Obama has already been briefed on top secret national security issues. This guy would not even qualify for an FBI job with all his past shady relationships. Wake up America, just because he is black and I'm black doesn't mean I must support him.

I have a brain, I can think for myself. I value my Constitution and my freedoms. I value that in this country, there are so many opportunities to succeed. I don't want my wealth redistributed. I don't want someone that associates himself with people like Odinga, Rev. Wrong, unrepentant terrorist Ayers and his wife, Rezko, etc. to be Senator or President.

Unbelievable that Obama is getting away with this, all in the name of PC'ness. Look at his actions, not his words.

Call your Senators and Congressmen, do something or else don't complain about what happens to our country. This sets a bad precedent.

Vote McCain/Palin, because freedom and honesty matters more than PC'ness.

Isn't it cheaper to just show your birth cert. than to fight this lawsuit? C'mmon man. What is Obama hiding? God bless those that are filing the lawsuits on our behalf. Thank you.

The scary thing is that Obama has already been briefed on top secret national security issues. This guy would not even qualify for an FBI job with all his past shady relationships. Wake up America, just because he is black and I'm black doesn't mean I must support him.

I have a brain, I can think for myself. I value my Constitution and my freedoms. I value that in this country, there are so many opportunities to succeed. I don't want my wealth redistributed. I don't want someone that associates himself with people like Odinga, Rev. Wrong, unrepentant terrorist Ayers and his wife, Rezko, etc. to be Senator or President.

Unbelievable that Obama is getting away with this, all in the name of PC'ness. Look at his actions, not his words.

Call your Senators and Congressmen, do something or else don't complain about what happens to our country. This sets a bad precedent.

Vote McCain/Palin, because freedom and honesty matters more than PC'ness.

Isn't it cheaper to just show your birth cert. than to fight this lawsuit? What is Obama hiding? God bless those that are filing the lawsuits on our behalf. Thank you.

The scary thing is that Obama has already been briefed on top secret national security issues. This guy would not even qualify for an FBI job with all his past shady relationships. Wake up America, just because he is black and I'm black doesn't mean I must support him.

I have a brain, I can think for myself. I value my Constitution and my freedoms. I value that in this country, there are so many opportunities to succeed. I don't want my wealth redistributed. I don't want someone that associates himself with people like Odinga, Rev. Wrong, unrepentant terrorist Ayers and his wife, Rezko, etc. to be Senator or President.

Unbelievable that Obama is getting away with this, all in the name of PC'ness. Look at his actions, not his words.

Call your Senators and Congressmen, do something or else don't complain about what happens to our country. This sets a bad precedent.

Vote McCain/Palin, because freedom and honesty matters more than PC'ness.

This ruling is upsetting in so many ways. How on earth can this judge rule that the people do not have the right to verify a candidate's eligibility? That is ridiculous. This matter is simple and all the judge needed to do was look at the evidence. Instead he let it fall to a technicality which will be tested in the U.S. Supreme Court. The Constitution protects the rights of its citizens in matters pertaining to elected public officials. I am absolutely appalled at this development! Judge Surrick is a weak, spineless individual who was too afraid to apply the law in this case. Since he's too afraid to do his job, he should remove himself from the bench.

Isn't it cheaper to just show your birth cert. than to fight this lawsuit? What is Obama hiding? God bless those that are filing the lawsuits on our behalf. Thank you.

The scary thing is that Obama has already been briefed on top secret national security issues. This guy would not even qualify for an FBI job with all his past shady relationships. Wake up America, just because he is black and I'm black doesn't mean I must support him.

I have a brain, I can think for myself. I value my Constitution and my freedoms. I value that in this country, there are so many opportunities to succeed. I don't want my wealth redistributed. I don't want someone that associates himself with people like Odinga, Rev. Wrong, unrepentant terrorist Ayers and his wife, Rezko, etc. to be Senator or President.

Call your Senators and Congressmen, do something or else don't complain about what happens to our country. This sets a bad precedent.

Vote McCain/Palin, because freedom and honesty matters more than PC'ness.

Is it possible for millions of concerned American citizens to file something like a class-action lawsuit to challenge Obama's citizenship? It seems like the Judge is saying that Berg did not have the authority, as an individual, to file suit. Don't we have the right to know Obama's citizenship prior to the election? I sure hope so..........

Obama is nothing but an arrogant buffoon. Obama has blinded millions of people simply by giving flowery but meaningless speeches and an array of empty promises. He has ZERO executive experience, even Governor Palin, who is not running for President, has more experience than Obama who IS running for President. I am so sick of the word "change" coming from Obama and his campaign. "Change"? Gimme a break! With his lack of experience, radical, left-wing views, dubious associations and shady and secretive past, Obama, if elected, will "change" this country's situation from bad to worse.
For those of you that love to associate McCain to Bush: What about Obama's looong and close relationship to his beloved Pastor, Reverend Wright???????????????????? WE DO NOT NEED 20 MORE YEARS OF HATRED TOWARDS AMERICA!!!!!!

First - Barack Obama already proved his citizenship when he filed to run as president and so did John McCain. The suit was dismissed because it was frivolous. The 'standing' the judge ruled against was that Berg was asking for documents that don't exist - because they are either obsolete or they are only available from naturalized not natural born citizens. "Vault copy" is one of those that is not available from Hawaii. More ...

The silliness of this issue should be obvious to everyone: Obama, regardless of where he was born in 1961, is and always has been a US citizen, eligible for the Presidency. Obama's mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. She could have been in Cuba at the time of his birth, working for Castro to bring nuclear weapons for use against the country she loathed (none of which, of course, is true), and her son Barack would nonetheless be a citizen.
From More ...
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Title 8, Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
1. Anyone born inside the United States
2. Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
3. Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
4. Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
5. Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
6. Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
7. Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time).
Anyone falling into these categories (7 being the pertinent one in Obama's case) is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President.
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Obama's citizenship cannot be legitimately questioned, whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya or in the Isles of Langerhans.

Arguments of "he is" or "he isn't" aside, I think you need to look at a case from earlier this year as a guide for how the judge ruled for dismissal.

Hollander v. McCain

It's the same essential case as Berg v. Obama...the claim that a candidate is not eligible.

The judge in that case also dismissed on the same grounds. To file the suit, the plaintiff must have legal standing...he must prove that:

1) An "injury" has occurred.
2) That the "injury" is due to conduct of the defendant.
3) That a favorable decision will relieve the "injury".

In both cases, the judge is, in essence, saying that even if a fraud is being perpetrated it is not an injury to the plaintiff. Berg and Hollander still retained their right to vote for a candidate other than Obama or McCain.

Potentially, the only real case that might be considered challenging Obama's qualifications under the Constitution would be a case filed by McCain himself claiming that an ineligible candidate denied him votes.

Lisa, as others have rightfully stated John McCain was born at a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone, which at that time was a U.S. controlled territory, therefore making him a "natural born citizen".

With regards to the passport you mentioned, I myself was born in the U.K., however after taking the oath of citizenship I was able to become a "naturalized citizen" thus enabling me to hold a U.S. passport.

I wonder if there is any connection here?


Hawaiian Sovereignty Activists Barricade Iolani Palace
Hawaii Reporter ^ | April 30, 2008 | Malia Zimmerman
Posted on April 30, 2008 7:21:48 PM CDT by kaehurowing

Hawaiian Sovereignty Activists Barricade Iolani Palace

An Unknown Amount of State Workers Trapped Inside

By Malia Zimmerman, 4/30/2008 9:19:10 AM

HONOLULU, HAWAII - Hawaiian sovereignty activists calling themselves the "Hawaiian Kingdom Government" surrounded Iolani Palace this morning, refusing to let state employees either enter or exit the historical site, saying the palace and surrounding grounds are property of the "Hawaiian Kingdom."

An unknown amount of state employees who work in the state archives division were trapped inside this morning, according to Russ Saito, head of the Department of Accounting and General Services, but since were allowed to leave, his office reports. The dozen employees who work there were sent home for the day. But several had their cars on site and cannot get them out of the palace parking lot. Saito says there are enough protesters to block with a human chain all five entrances and exits to the palace. They also locked the palace gates with their own locks.

The state Department of Land and Natural Resources is in charge of enforcement in the area. Laura Thielen, this agency's director, says "A group of about 35 persons have barred the public from entering the grounds of Iolani Palace, claiming sovereign rights over the area. The Department of Land and Natural Resources State Parks, which manages the palace in cooperation with the Friends of Iolani Palace is closing the area. DLNR enforcement offices are working to fully assess the situation and are talking with the protesters to peacefully end the protest. We will continue to update the public as we get more information."

The palace's web site describes the palace as "A Hawaiian national treasure and the only official state residence of royalty in the United States, `Iolani Palace was the official residence of the Hawaiian Kingdom's last two monarchs--King Kalakaua, who built the Palace in 1882, and his sister and successor, Queen Lili`uokalani. During the monarchy period, the Palace was the center of social and political activity in the Kingdom of Hawaii. Though its grandeur was neglected after the overthrow of the monarchy, restoration began in the 1970s through efforts of concerned individuals. Restoration and preservation continues, and, as a result, today's visitors to this National Historic Landmark in downtown Honolulu enjoy one of the most precise historic restorations and learn much about Hawaiian history and heritage." Tom McAuliffe, who works across the street, says he arrived at work this morning at 8 a.m. for the near last day of the 2008 Legislative session and found the gates to the palace locked with signs posted saying the place now belongs to the "Reinstated Hawaiian Kingdom."

"I asked to be allowed to pass on to the grounds and was told that only native Hawaiians were allowed in and that I needed to show an 'OHA registration card' or recite my family genealogy. When I explained that the Kingdom was multi-racial and that a distant relative (an Irish whaler) was a citizen of the kingdom I was told that did not matter. We then called the police (both Public Safety and Honolulu Police Department) at around 8:45 a.m. but it took quite a while for them to arrive on scene. The state Sheriff's department showed up at 11:15 a.m. - but at 12:15, there was still no Honolulu Police on site. My assertion to the protesters was that the Palace belongs to all the people of Hawaii nei, but that also fell on deaf ears."

What I find so interesting about this is that McCain was challeneged and provided his birth certificate quickly to clear things up. Obama has been challenged but has not provided the courts. He has posted a certificate on a website. Why did he waste taxpaper money on a court case when his certificate would have resolved the issue as he claims. Still does not sound right to me

The comment up above by CG, is clearly from an Obama TROLL. He actually hires people to come on these websites and post ficticious comments in his defense. Is he a sicko or what? This loon is out of control and the worst for our country. He has Hitler'esque qualities. I mean, come on, he HIRED people to TROLL on the internet! To indoctrinate people with the mantra, to mesmerize them.

Okay, CG (nice phony name), where is the proof that this actual birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper existed. Who announces the birth of their illegitimate child back in 1961? You're a sicko just like the Hitler paying you do this. Get a life!

People: Please go back and read CG's comments and you will see what this sick Obama Campaign is doing. CG is a troll HIRED and paid for by Obama. Just use your mind and read the comment and tell me that isn't a campaigner troll for Obama. You people are sick. (notice how they always incite race saying "Obama is half black".) Somebody did pick up saying, the mantra is the same, but I wonder if you realize that this is an actualy TROLL hired by Obama and paid for by Obama. Can you imagine? Tell me that doesn't scare the crap out of you. Look at what this guy is all about. Just open your eyes, and look and judge for yourself. Don't believe me, judge for yourself. Go by your own instincts. He is a fraud and a liar and he does NOT have American's best interests at heart.

Apparently, there was a birth announcement for Hussein Obama. However, it was on the 4th and it DID NOT say where he was born. The fake birth certificate Obama has on his website says he was born on the 8th, FOUR DAYS AFTER THE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER CG!!! It is normal for a family to post births of their grandchildren in local papers, that shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. Fact is, the dates don't match because his mother was too pregnant to fly and Obama was born in Kenya as his grandmother claims. After his birth he was taken to Hawaii.

Obama supporters! If this is such a simple problem to fix, why hasn't Obama done it? Shows the true character of the man you support. He hates this country and this lawsuit only proves that.

If he is not lying then why doesn't he show the documents like McCain did when this same lawsuit was filed against him?

As far as right to privacy is concerned, no one has the right to hide fraud. A candidate for the presidency of the US is subject to at least as much scrutiny as any celebrity and should be able to withstand a good public "scrubbing". This is in the best interest of everyone on the planet. The President of US will hold the keys to nuclear weapons, be in command of the most superior joint military force in history, keystone the most complicated economies on earth. You really don't want to know his motives? Well I do. Anyone who would even consider subverting the customs, not to mention the laws of a society does not deserve to be considered for leadership. He certainly is not eligible on ethical grounds alone to be considered for the single most powerful position on earth.

If Obama already showed his Vault certificate (the real one, not the phony one floating around) then why does he have a team of lawyers to keep it from being revealed. The DNC is also paying the big bucks to attorneys to keep it from the people. It would be soooo much easier and much cheaper just to present it. If he would have done that months ago this wouldn't be an ongoing issue. It causes the American people as well as people from other countries to question his motives. There must be something to hide or else he would have gladly shown it. hmmmmm

HAVE FOLLOWED THIS EVERY SINCE BERG DID FIRST LAWSUIT. HE'S TERIIFIC AS WELL AS JEFF SCHRIEBER. PLEASE KEEP GOING. OBAMA SCARES ME! GOD BLESS YOU!
BEST COMMENT I READ IS FOR McCAIN TO FILE LAWSUIT AND DEMAND BARACK SHOW HIS REAL IDENTITY AND HOPEFULLY HAVE HIM TAKEN OFF THE BALLOT. LOVE HILLARY!

WHY DON'T THEY GET THE GRANDMOTHER'S TAPE INTERPRETED ASAP. TAHT WOULD PROVE WHERE HE WAS BORN. I WAS SCARED WHEN BO WEN TO VISIT HER. GET MO'S TAPE HEARD ASAP. DO SOMETHING ASAP THANKS

People keep asking why and then citing the DNC. MrsDi pointed out the first lawsuit was dismissed on grounds the documents Berg asked for don't exist. But I haven't seen anyone consider the worst case scenario for both Mr. Obama, the DNC and the Democratic Party.

bonnetteblj wrote:

"Senator Obama was born in Hawaii. His mother was a U.S. citizen. That makes him a U.S. citizen...[irrelevant drivel deleted]"

Do you people read articles before you respond to them? And while we're on the subject, have you even read the U.S. Constitution?

Presidents must be NATURAL-BORN CITIZENS, not just have U.S. citizenship. Or did you skip civics class that day?

The Constitution does not specify citizenship, that is fogmeister buffalo chips, what it specifies is "No person except a natural born Citizen, ..."

McCain never have an alias.

McCain never have an alias.

Barry Soetero adopted son of Lol Sotero. Barry got a half-sister to prove it at the primary convention. He became an Indonsian and grew up in Muslim family. Barry lied to Illinois Bar. OBAMA as Kenyan born
More ... In 1981, his mother came back to Hawaii and filed a divorce. From State of Hawaii Court :
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Officially, Barry's mother Ann Dunham Soetero never had use Obama as her last name. That would had made her a bigamous partner of Obama Sr.

For all the ladies who are working for Obama check this out (was removed by MSNBC website but thanks to Google cache). Barack Obama, aka Barry Muhammed Soetoro Pays his Women 83% on the dollar, nice Chauvinist
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Correction: For all the ladies who are working for Obama check this out (was removed by MSNBC website but thanks to Google cache). Barack Obama, aka Barry Muhammed Soetoro Pays his Women 83% on the dollar, nice Chauvinist! More ...

Looking back at all the comments posted, after my post, all I can say is WE THE PEOPLE.....the majority....stand for truth...what does that mean to Obama and his disciples...I am afraid for our freedom and security.

This Great Nation that was so Blessed and prospered for so long, will fall under such a leader, or should I fear to say dictator.

He (Obama) should show all his cards; and put away the "race card"; follwers of!!!!

Fellow AMERICAN Brothers and Sisters, let us not be silent, if in fact, our Constitution is compromised. We need to stand by, support, and speak up, with the protectors of our nation, whom truly love our(for now)FREE country.

JESUS GOD BE WITH US!

PRAY PRAY PRAY

and read what the LORD tells us.

He honors the cries of the righteous.

Deuteronomy 28

McCain had to produce his birth certificate (vaulted copy), but Obama does not? This shows that democrats are powerful at withholding information especially if it would hurt their career. Someone didn't do their job and just took the live birth certificate as authentic. This would mean trouble for those that accepted it. So lets just hide this fact by making sure the media (which is totally biased) does not report this. Board members are all democrat and if a reporter asks a question in this direction of producing the vaulted birth certificate they risk being fired. Put Hillary back and take Barack off the ticket. His name may not even be legally Barack Obama. He was in fact adopted when he was young which changed his name. Are there any legal documents showing a name change back? Show them and prove it! I think this is why he is stating it would be embarrassing to show his records. I am saddened that a constitutional right is being ignored.

For an evaluation of the charges in Berg's complaint, see More ... Most of the allegations in Berg's complaint are easily proven inaccurate as are most of his legal arguments.

Whoa Posted by WYE

Whoa Posted by WYE

Did you look up the whois (public knowledge) for that web site whatsyourevidence.com? Are we letting other countries run ours making false claims so that we vote for Obama? This is who owns that web site and let me tell you is very fishy!

I guess you can't hit enter or it posts. Anyway here is the information: Administrative Contact:
Domain Discreet
ATTN: whatsyourevidence.com
Avenida do Infante 50
Funchal, Madeira 9004-521
PT
Phone: 1-902-7495331
Email: 304f9eb80a141151005ce768132c43a1@domaindiscreet.com Why don't you find out which extremist owns this.

If Senator Obama really cares about this country, he would produce a legal certified copy of his birth certificate. To say that it is not available suspends belief. I am 67 and all I have to do to get a certified copy is call the state of Utah request the certified copy and pay about 10 bucks. As a genealogist I know that birth certificates and records are available.

And since when is the DNC have greater authority than the individual citizen under the constitution. In fact are they even mentioned in the constitution? I think not. And what about that DNC rule that states that is a canidate for president is found not eligible the DNC may subistute another of their choice.

Focusing on the Indonesian citizenship from his childhood, if he cannot produce documentation showing a renouncement of his Indonesian citizenship and oath of allegience to the United States, then this is actually a matter for INS. He is actually an illegal allien subject to deportation without verifiable citizenship documentation. I would also think that his current US passport would have been obtained fraudulently if his US citizenship has not been re-established. It would apprear that he skipped the oath and just simply used the COLB from Hawaii to get the passport without informing anyone that he is actually an Indonesion citizen.

Should we all be sending requests to INS requesting investigation and deportation?

Berg is also is pushing the idiotic notion that 9/11 was an inside job. He is a lunatic.

You people need to read up on what determines citizenship status. McCain was born in Panama Canal to TWO U.S. citizens. Therefore, he is a natural born citizen. Obama,however, was not born to TWO U.S. citizens, and there is some question as to the legal citizenship status of his mother, a natural U.S. citizen, at the time of his birth in Kenya. He IS NOT eligible to run for President. In order to prevent a catastrophe, the Supreme Court needs to deliver on this before November 4th.

1. I don't believe that he was born in Hawaii in the first place.

2. Even if he were born in Hawaii and his mother's citizenship wasn't questioned he himself has admitting attending a "christian" school in Indonesia. In order to do so he would have had to renounce his US citizenship, revoking his natural born citizen status!

3. There are way too many "what if's" when it comes to Obama! So I say NObama!!!

People who are determined to keep us divided start these rumors about Barackʼs birth certificate to manipulate us into thinking he is not an American citizen.

The fact is Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.

Learn the facts and see the birth certificate for yourself:

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Together we can make sure these negative and divisive attacks don't affect this election.

Posted by Mary
Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:33 AM EST


If there was any truth to this, I'm sure Hillary would have pursued the manner
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Who do you think started this whole thing? Berg is a long time Clinton Supporter

The simple way to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii would be to question the doctor who delivered him. Why has this doctor not spoken up?

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Quoted from dennis: The simple way to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii would be to question the doctor who delivered him. Why has this doctor not spoken up?

Dennis the doctor's lips have been sealed didn't you hear. If it has to do with Obama its been sealed guaranteed!

"The simple way to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii would be to question the doctor who delivered him. Why has this doctor not spoken up?

Dennis the doctor's lips have been sealed didn't you hear. If it has to do with Obama its been sealed guaranteed!" Oh, please, child.... :) Turn your brain back on. (1) We're talking nearly 50 years ago; in all likelihood the doc is dead. (2, & more to the point), give me a freaking break. Do you *really* think that even if the doc who delivered him *is* still alive, that he would remember one out of GOK how many kids he delivered that long ago? God, the fluff that passes for thought with some people.... :)

"The simple way to prove that Obama was born in Hawaii would be to question the doctor who delivered him. Why has this doctor not spoken up?

Dennis the doctor's lips have been sealed didn't you hear. If it has to do with Obama its been sealed guaranteed!" Oh, please, child.... :) Turn your brain back on. (1) We're talking nearly 50 years ago; in all likelihood the doc is dead. (2, & more to the point), give me a freaking break. Do you *really* think that even if the doc who delivered him *is* still alive, that he would remember one out of GOK how many kids he delivered that long ago? God, the fluff that passes for thought with some people.... :)

I understand that today the Fox News Channel in New York will be interviewing Philip Berg regarding the appeal of his lawsuit (regarding evidence against Obama's status as a natural-born citizen) to the U.S. Supreme Court. I hope they encourage listeners to contact their Congressmen in D.C. Obama must be required to prove his citizenship status. (If it is too late to do before election, then require it of him before inauguration.) Even it were to turn out that he can prove natural-born citizenship status (which I suspect he cannot), it is irresponsible that he has not yet had to go through any screening process requiring him to do so! Legislation must be enacted to implement a screening process which can assure that all potential candidates for president meet the Constitutional requirements.

The state legislatures should be contacted as well. As you are all probably aware, lawsuits have also been filed in several states over this issue, requesting that those in charge of the state election processes not place on the ballot any candidate who has not been proven to meet the Constitutional requirements. This is a reasonable mandate. Without such requirements for screening of candidates, a sham can be made of our election process. And if it turns out that Obama was born in Kenya, then this election will indeed have been a sham. No matter what side you take on this issue, press your Congressmen to create a screening process requiring candidates to prove they meet the Constitution's citizenship requirements. If that doesn't happen, then in the future any political party could put us all through a repeat performance of this fiasco.

This is the dumbest conversation I have ever taken part in.

how in the world can we elect a chump name husein obama? it boggles my mind.

Please understand folks....
1.the Dem National Committee is NOT a Federal Bureau therefor cannot have the power to validate ANYTHING that is required under the constitution for the American People. This is Dianne Feinstein's personal responsibility, she refuses, but demands to release McCain's Docs to the public, including medical and educatinoal records.
2. Even if Obama WAS born in US which is highly unlikely, his use of foreign passport after the age 18 proves he gave up citizenship. Note that he entered a country under "No Entry Allowed" by both countries for US citizens therefore must have used a foreign passport. No dual citizenship was allowed for Kenya or Indonesia.
3. the copy of Obama's Birth certificate has been proven to be a forgery as it is NOT in the form nor with the seal of Hawaii on it. It is ONLY an extract forgery not a copy of a vault certificate.

1. Has Berg filed anything in the US Supreme Court? If so, why hasn't he and all the loonies who support this waste of our courts released the case number assigned by the USSCt and posted the filing? It's probably a matter of all talk and no action.

2. Of course, unless Rule 19 applies, then it's doubtful that a direct appeal to the Supreme Ct can be made. One way is a Writ of Mandamus to force a Government Authority to act, but his action in US District Court did not name such a party.

3. The failure of all the posters supporting this nonsense is shocking as follows:

a. In an action, the burden of proof is upon the filing party. Berg needs to prove that the proffered Cert of Birth is false. So, far we have the public statement of a Hawai'i Dept of Health rep that this is a valid COB. We also have a newspaper announcement nine days after birth announcing the birth, complete with address of the parents.

b. Turning to the Constitution: The requirement is to be a natural-born citizen. This was enacted in 1783 - give or take. BHO is, given the documents at hand, a natural-born citizen.

c. Turning to the allegations of all sorts of nonsense about loss of citizenship: Loss does not come easily. Whatever the parent does with the child is not relevant under US law. What is relevant is the actions of the adult after attainment of age 18 (or is it 21). What is clear and not asserted, is that BHA did not in any way by court filings, renounce his citizenship after that age. In fact, BHA was a student in the US during those years of his life.

4. Why did the District Court Judge rule as he did, and not conduct a trial on the "merits." Think clearly about it, if you will:

a. There was a recent decision in Hollander on point, and not wishing to be an "activist", he followed that line of jurisprudence.

b. Berg's initial and amended filings had so much junk alleged facts, alleged experts, etc., that the Court's time and the Court would have become a circus, and the "burden of proof" still would have been the pivot and lead to a "summary judgement" petition by the DNC, Obama, etal, which would have been granted.

c. Instead the Judge took the most practical, and the most consistent way to rule.

5. Actually, McCain is on weaker ground since a "strict construction" of the Constitution, ala Scalia, Roberts, Alito, etal, would look only at the original Constitution, and rule that the Canal Zone, etc was not the United States as the signers of the Constitution envisioned.

6. Finally, speaking of release of records, who is the mother of Trig Palin? Why have the medical records of Sarah not been released, and is she defrauding the State of Alaska employee medical plans by reporting Trig to be her child instead of her daughter, whose pregnancy might not be covered.

Who is the mother of Trig Palin? What a dumb question and what a bunch of silly crap. Who gives a damn? Trig is not running for President of the United States.

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Chuck, 2bd's point should have been quite obvious. He was simply applying the same arguments to Palin that other people have been applying to Obama. Why? To show just how imbecilic & idiotic the arguments are. As you said, they're "a bunch of silly crap." I'm sure he thanks you for unintentionally proving his point. -evil grin-

Frankly, folks, the bottom line is this -- Surrick did his job, & did it correctly. He ruled according to the law. People who are criticizing his ruling would perhaps do better to learn a little more about the law before posting messages that show they're posting with their emotions instead of their brains. I doubt seriously anyone criticizing Surrick has even read his ruling, much less Berg's suit. You've been conned, folks, & are allowing a huckster to sucker you into making damn fools of yourselves in public. *I* for one wouldn't want to show I'd let a manipulative showboat like Berg gull me into making av complete idjit of myself in public. };)

Note to self: Do not hit enter... O.K. anyway the post above shows what Philip Berg is in the process of doing. The Birth certificate that is shown does not prove that he was born in Hawaii, only that he was registered in Hawaii on August 8th. A long form or vaulted copy of a birth certificate would show the hospital you were born in and the doctors name that delivered you. A certificate for a Hawaiian birth has been uploaded by someone from Hawaii who wished for us to see one. Here is the link: More ... - This is the form that is necessary to prove your citizenship when applying for many jobs or even for a social security. BO's birth certificate as shown is not sufficient enough to prove anything.

Being a lawyer Berg surely must have known his suit would be rejected because it was improperly filed in federal court instead of in state court. The only logical reason he would have deliberately done that would be to get a _public_ hearing for his revenge suit, not a legal one. (For those who don't know about Berg, he's a staunch supporter of Hillary. If Hillary couldn't be president he doesn't want Obama to be. Talk about childish.)

I sincerely will try not to post again and I am not trying to sway anyone's opinion on who to vote for. Everyone has a right to their opinion. I do feel it necessary to get information out that I do find, so - If he will be so good for our country by spreading the wealth why is his Aunt living like she is in Boston. This is an Aunt that he spoke fondly of in his book??? He sits in a 1.6 million dollar home coming from poverty himself and look where she is. Just asking - what will become of us? I'm sorry if my investigating has made me feel he is not genuine, but that is exactly the conclusion I have come to. More ... By the way I live in the same state as his aunt and she has been on the news all night. Story is absolutely true!

Barack Obama must show the American people that his campaign has integrity, trust, and honesty. His campaign posted the questionable COLB on the internet and also raised the question regarding John McCain's eligibility to run for President.
Now, Obama is asked to produce his COLB or a live birth certificate and he refuses.
He mentions his birth certificate in his 1995 memoirs. Obama traveled to Hawaii to visit his grandmother on Oct. 22 and 23, same days the Circuit Court in Honolulu was addressing a writ to show cause ; requesting the Director of Health and Goverenor of Hawaii to produce a copy of Obama's certificate. The writ was dismissed and a new court date is scheduled for Nov 7 2008.
The Governor of Hawaii ( republican mind you) has just yesterday sealed Obama's birth certificate records . Only Obama can request the birth certificate by Hawaii law.

There is evidence that Obama may have been registered in two Honolulu hospitals??

what is Obama hiding. And finally, Lisa: having a passport and traveling the world does NOT indicate or Prove Obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN OF THE US. It may be a passport issued on citizenship status in Ind.
The question: What is Obama hiding from the American People. We need to know.

This discussion of Obama's birth certificate is an obvious attempt by the opposition to try to mislead people from real issues. Think about the facts:

1) For those who say that Obama's COLB is a forgery and he was born outside the country: This would make him guilty of Forgery, Fraud and Illegal Immigration. The FBI has access to Hawaii's birth records. The FBI and ICE find and arrest people guilty of these crimes who are trying not to be found... it's unreasonable to think that Obama got away with defrauding the American people by presenting a forged or misrepresented document that he used to illegally pretend that he was a US citizen and posting the evidence of all three federal crimes online, in front of the entire world. IT'S JUST NOT REASONABLE.

2) For those who say, Why doesn't Obama just turn over his Birth Certificate? Obama has presented a copy of his birth certitificate online and to the press. When people say to give the original to the "press", they are being ridiculous. No candidate in history has ever given an original document like this to the "press," and it's unreasonable to expect.What would they do with it? Are we going to start demanding that ALL documentation be turned over for forensic examination? Fine. Medical records would be much easier to forge and, since the government does not have access to the originals (as they do with birth records) they would not be able to prove fraud. Why not demand the originals of McCain's medical records be presented to the press for verification? Because it would be ridiculous.

3) If you are going to believe these "experts" online who say that they can prove that it's a fake, or tell you that a COLB is different than a Birth Certificate (it is not), ask yourself, Why don't they go to the press with this "news"? Why don't they give this "evidence" to a Republican lawyer -- or the Republican Party, so that they could do something about this? It would be the case or news story of the century -- you'd be famous if you were the one who exposed it (because no evidence has been presented, yet). It;s easy to go online and make things up... look at the real world and you will see that no expert has ever come forward with any evidence.

The FBI, ICE (as well as all of the federal prosecutors and lawyers) are pretty good at their jobs -- and, yes, they can investigate and prosecute Fraud, Forgery and Immigration violations. Trust that they would be able to prove a case if there really were evidence of a crime all over the web.

STATE DECLARES OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE GENUINE

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"HONOLULU – State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest."
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Per anchan64: "It;s easy to go online and make things up... look at the real world and you will see that no expert has ever come forward with any evidence." And it's also vefry easy to con the supremely gullible into believing something they want to believe in the first place. The lack of thought being put into this by the people screaming for Obama's head is nothing less than dumbfounding. A tenth of a second's thought would show how imbecilic the claim is, yet suckers buy into it without so much as an "Uh, are you sure about that?" It's amusing, really. They insist *Obama* show evidence, but don't insist that Berg show his. Yet another proof that they don't even want to bother to think -- in the US the burden of proving things in court is 110% on the prosecution, never the defense. The lack of even an 8th-grade understanding of the law is absolutely stupefying....

Obama produced a certificate of live birth (COLB), not a birth certificate. There is a difference. A COLB doesn't verify where you were born, only where your birth was registered. A birth certificate identifies where and when you were born and the physician who delivered you. In some states, the birth certificate includes the signature of the physician who delivered you. In all states, signature of the physician or other official person certifying attendance at birth are required to obtain a birth certificate. His grandmother claims she was at his birth in Kenya. If he were born in Kenya to an American mother, he would be a US citizen but not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution to be president. Two different Hawaiian hospitals have been named as to where he was born. He was registered as an Indonesian citizen while attending school there, and he traveled as a young adult on an Indonesian passport. As a US citizen, he could not have obtained an Indonesian passport. Also, as a US citizen, he could not have travelled to Pakistan when he did since at the time US citizens were not granted visas. All he has to do is authorize that Hawaii release his official birth certificate and this whole problem will go away. Since he continues to fight the lawsuits and won't release his birth certificate, the questions linger. The longer questions linger, the more it appears that he's not eligible to be president. He may be about to pull off the biggest con in presidential election history, but if he's not a citizen, eventually he'll be forced out and we'll have Biden as prez.

SueBon said, "A COLB doesn't verify where you were born, only where your birth was registered"

This is simply untrue. The COLB verifies the location of birth - there are specific fields for the location of birth on a Hawaii COLB. Obama's COLB shows that he was born in Honolulu Hawaii.

SueBon also said, "Since he continues to fight the lawsuits and won't release his birth certificate, the questions linger."

This is also false. Obama has submitted a certified, stamped COLB, indicating Hawaii Birth, and supported by Hawaii State Official affidavit, sworn to under penalty of perjury - where required by law to do so (Virginia). That COLB, supported by authenticating affidavit, was submitted in court in the Virgnia case.

As for "Grandma Sarah," If one listens to the alleged "Grandmother tape," one hears a substantial amount of coaching, along with "he was born in Hawaii."

As for "Indonesian Passport," There is NO evidence to indicate that Obama EVER traveled on an Indonesian passport - that is totally made up. IT is also absolutely false to contend that the US had any sort of travel ban on travel to Pakistan in 1981, as they were our major ally in the covert afghan war against the soviets. A travel safety warning? yes. A travel ban? No.

Get your facts straight, please.

VIRGINIA COURT RULES COLB AUTHENTIC; OBAMA NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
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The Court made the following findings:

1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is unquestionably authentic.
The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way. Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.

2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen. The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.
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The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.
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5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship. ....

.... The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

This is a very very important discussion in the United States.

The Govenor of California can not run for President because he is Naturalized. Born Not a US Citizen.

Because Courts may dismiss a law suit does not make the propisition invalid nor does it make it valid. All it means that as filed, there is no causaulity for action by the courts.

I am suspicious of Obama to begin with. Especially since this will be the most racist elevction in the history of the United States.

OR should I say anti Racisit??? With 90-95% of the African Americans voting for Obama, what does that say?

As Robert Heinlein once wrote about in a Science Fiction Novel of His, People should EARN the right to Vote through Civil or Military Service to the country. I agree with this seeing as we have toomany sheep/ignorant people voting on Skin Color, Hair Style, Age, or pretty much anyghing but the valid issues of the day.

I sure hope people THINK about this rather than respond with hate as I don't hate anyone for their background, race, or beliefs.

God Bless or not. your choice!

All you moaners who is obsessed with Obama's nationality should be careful that the Native Americans don't resurrect their claim to their land and point-out that when your fore-fathers arrived (exhausted and hungry) they had no documents to stay or moral rights to decimate their tribes of people

Franktalk, justice David Sutor's clerk delivered Phillip J. Berg a denial, however the clerk stated that Obama is demanded to show a "vault" birth certificate to The U.S. Supreme Court by Dec. 1st or there will be a Supreme Court investigation into his entire life. They will bring him before 4 justices for a trial. The Electoral College doesn't convene until mid-December. If they see the Supreme Court is trying him, they will stand-down from their vote. He may never be seated as our Commander In Chief after all.

Like many other posts here have said. He is applying for a job and he should have to supply all of the requested information about himself. The fact that he refuses tells me he has something to hide.

The Supreme Court "Rule of Four" will likely grant Cert and ORDER President-elect Obama to immediately present credible "proof" that he is, in fact, a citizen of the United States that would constitutionally "qualify" him for President of the United States. "The Rule of Law" and the United States Constitution are controlling (regardless of the recent November election results). As a retired lawyer, I have serious doubts President-elect Obama will be sworn in as our next President. To date, President-elect Obama has offered nothing even remotely credible to verify his alleged United States' citizenship. He is likely a citizen of (1) Indonesia via his legal adoption by his mother's Indonesian second husband or (2) Kenya by birth. It would not appear that President-elect Obama "was ever or is now" a citizen of the United States of America. President-elect Obama's citizenship status will likely be determined by the Supreme Court before the Presidential Electors vote on December 15. Should his citizenship status still remain unresolved on that date, the Supreme Court will likely issue an Order delaying any voting by said Presidential Electors. President-elect Obama, please "immediately" respond to the Writ of Cert without further delay.

How sad that racism has been hidden for so long in America. We, as American’s like to say that racism doesn’t exist in our country any longer, but how cautious it has reared its ugly head. White citizens were in an uproar when they heard his (unfortunate) X-pastor speak-out on racism and the United States, but how enlightened we are becoming of t hose very actions of the citizens that is bringing truth to his message. How hypocritical a nation that ties nooses, send death threats, speaks of assignations and challenge the birth of a black man that holds a passport from the United States. The recent actions of our white citizens is an open and shut case that racism still exist and any black person that increases their statue by virtue of freedom is susceptible to it. Woe is unto the Asian American, Indian American and the Latino American, the hypocrisy of a nation.

Hi,

I suggest and request that you please do an update story in the next day or so on the Obama Citizenship Lawsuits. Not much has been written about these cases recently. Your news site is one of the few to cover these cases.

Few Americans and readers now that a 2nd case has just reached the U.S. Supreme Court and has been Docketed before Justice Souter. The 2nd one is the Donofrio Case filed in NJ. The 1st was the Berg vs. Obama case filed in PA. Since both are in the jurisdiction of Souter, he has both of them.

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U.S. Supreme Court Docket Entry for the Donofrio Case, the 2nd case to reach the U.S. Supreme Court, in regards to Obama's citizenship status:
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U.S. Supreme Court Docket Entry for Berg vs. Obama, the first case to reach the U.S. Supreme Court, in regards to Obama's citizenship status:
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A website monitoring and listing the status of all known cases in the USA challenging Obama's qualifications to serve as the President per the U.S. Constitution.

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Chuck
Lehigh Valley PA

In reflecting on President-elect Obama's current citizenship controversy, I would say that about the only thing one can ascertain is that (1) Obama's mother "claimed" his father was a "married" Kenyan man that she "illegally" married three months after becoming pregnant, (2) Obama's mother was known to be sexually involved with Frank Marshall Davis and his white wife in ongoing group sex during her teens and (3) it is possible Obama's mother didn't know who the true sperm donor was except that he was black. Frank Marshall Davis' son claims to be the half-brother of Obama. If it could be determined by simple blood tests by Obama and the alleged half-brother that Frank Marshall Davis was Obama's father, Obama's legal problems would likely quickly disappear! Further, a similar blood test could be given by Obama and his alleged Kenya half-brothers to determine if the Kenyan is the father. If neither proves to be the father, Obama could claim his father was simply an unknown black man living in Hawaii. President-elect Obama hasn't played all the cards in the deck! He may still make it (maybe not pretty), but better than being ruled ineligible by the Supreme Court to be the next United States' President! His lawyers need to be thinking out of the box!

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Via the Mr. Phillip Berg "lawsuit" & Mr David Hackett Souter "Supreme Court order", president elected Barack Hussein Obama II presidency, etc can be declared invalid.

The GOP's (republican party) "Mr. John Sidney McCain III & Miss Sarah Louise Heath Palin" (still) can constitutionally obtain the White House via a Obama default.

Barack have until the December 1 deadline to comply with the (Mr. Phillip Berg) "lawsuit" & (David Hackett Souter) Supreme Court order, to present his "valid birth certificate".

The following will occur if Obama "do not" comply & provide his valid birth certificate:

• Constitutionally his currently held U.S. citizenship status will be declared invalid..., etc.

• Constitutionally his currently held U.S. president elected status will be declared invalid..., etc.

• Constitutionally his currently held U.S. Senate seat & position will be declared unconstitutional..., etc.

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The Obama citizenship case filed in Hawaii was heard yesterday (Nov. 18). The court took the case "under advisement" after hearing the arguments by counsel of opposing sides. Before the court renders a decision, further deliberation and consultation is ongoing. Hopefully, the court will rule that Obama must produce his "vault original birth certificate." To date, Obama has provided no verification of his birth country. The "Certification of Life Birth" given to the media is a document which is issued to children born OUTSIDE of Hawaii, but whose birth is registered in Hawaii pursuant to a quaint and scarcely known Hawaiian law (Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17.8). This law allows for the registration of a birth in Hawaii of a child who was born OUTSIDE Hawaii to parents who, for the year immediately preceding the child's birth, claimed Hawaii as their principle place of residence. Obama's "Certification of Life Birth" gives the viewer of the document the false impression that he was born in Hawaii when, in fact, he was NOT born in Hawaii. It is misleading when Hawaiian officials state that they have examined Obama's birth record and it is valid. The "Certification of Live Birth" proves nothing. In fact, Obama's half-sister who was "definitely" born in Indonesia, also has a "Certification of Life birth" recorded in Hawaii. But that document is totally bogus because the Indonesian father did not live in Hawaii as required per the statute noted above. Since Obama was travelling abroad during his 20s using an Indonesian passport, it is highly unlikely that he was born in Hawaii as he claims. Indonesia does not issue dual citizenship passports. President-elect Obama it is time that you (1) prove you are a qualified Presidential candidate as set forth in the United States Constitution or (2) inform the citizens of the United States the truth regarding your place of birth. It would appear based on my review of all information available to me that you were, in fact, born in Kenya. Your birth mother does not qualify you as an Unites States' citizen. The law is very clear on this issue at the time of Obama's birth. The applicable law has changed over the years, but is NOT retroactive in application. Further, through a subsequent legal adoption you are likely still a citizen of Indonesia. As to your alleged United States' citizenship, you likely are not and never have been a citizen of the United States and are presently residing in our country in violation of United States' immigration laws. Possibly at some future date, you may "legally" remain in the United States via your current marriage to a United States' citizen. As an attorney, I am sure you have heard the saying "form over substance" in your legal studies? Isn't your "Certification of Life Birth" little more that form over substance? Posted by a retired attorney...

Per my post dated November 19 (1:37 pm EST)

"Certification of Live Birth" was incorrectly posted as "Certification of Life Birth." Sorry...

To really put to bed the issue of John McCain's eligibility to run for POTUS, both of his parents were American citizens and he was born (I believe I am correct) in a military hospital on an American base where his father was serving our country. This one is a real "no brainer". Since the election is over and McCain lost, it's also a moot point. On the other hand, we do need to be assured that the man who did win IS eligible to hold the office of President.

It would appear likely the Berg and Donofrio cases will be grouped and Cert will be granted on December 5 or shortly thereafter. Considering the consequences of having a President-elect sworn in as President when he/she is not constitutionally qualified is unthinkable! I have little doubt that after Cert is granted by the SCOTUS that President-elect Obama will be required to prove with certainty he is, in fact, a "natural born" United States' citizen.

AN ARGUMENT THAT SHOULD BE ADVANCED BY OBAMA'S ATTORNEYS: Since it is thought Obama's father was married to a Kenyan woman at the time of his marriage to Obama's mother, his subsequent Hawaiian marriage is by law "void ab initio" and not merely voidable at the election of one of the parties. Said Hawaiian marriage was invalid from the onset and Obama was thus born out-of-wedlock. Applicable law(s) in 1961 state: A child born out-of-wedlock in a foreign country to an American citizen mother and an alien father gains United States' citizenship birth if the mother had been physically present in the United States for a continuous period of one year prior to the child's birth. Accordingly, the (1) original birth certificate issue and (2) what country Obama was born are "moot" legal issues. If would appear that if the first marriage as stated above can be proven, President-elect Obama will soon become President Obama come January 2009. I strongly supported Senator McCain for President, thought he was by far the better Presidential candidate and proudly voted for Senator McCain. "The Rule of Law" must be honored. Accordingly, I respectfully congratulate President-elect Obama on his apparent election victory. (A Retired Attorney)

What is so difficult about providing a Birth Certificate? I had to provide one to get my Passport, etc. What is there to hide? I saw the one document, which was printed in 2001 (see bottom left of document), it is a "certification of birth" not a Birth Certificate.

Obama's Mom gave birth at 18 years of age, so she was preggers at 17.....or before....and his Dad is listed as African. African is not a race, it is a country.

The whole thing is weird.

FOI request for Obama's birth certificate --found on the internet at More ... all 50 SOS emails-1 stop emailing!








FOI REQUEST TO ALL SOS FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
We need to find out what the SOS of the various States know about Obama's birth certificate and qualifications to be president. If you have time, please send/fax/email the following FOI (freedom of information letter) to some or all of the SOS bureau of elections. After you get a response please post on More ... , More ... , More ... , More ... ,More ...
1. The address , fax number and email address for the Bureau of elections for the states are at More ...
2. I like the faxes because they will respond quicker to them. Print off your generic FOI request and past/tape the next name over the top and fax it off. See emails listed below for all 50 SOS.Cut and paste to send all 50 at one time. Sit back and wait for answers.

November 21, 2008
TO: BUREAU OF ELECTIONS
Bureau of Elections, California
1500 11th St, 5th Floor FAX: 916-653-5634
Sacramento, CA 95814 Email: elections@sos.ca.gov

ATTN: Freedom of Information Officer
REF: Freedom of Information Act Request/Privacy Act/ Open Meeting Act, Common Law
This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act. Please send the following documents for examining and photocopying:
1. Documents that show that Barack Obama is qualified to be President of the United States , including but not limited to:
a. Original birth certificate
b. Proof that he is a natural born United States citizen
c. Proof that he was born in Kenya
AS you know , the FOIA provides that if a portions of a document are exempt from release, the remainder must be segregated and disclosed. Therefore, I would like to examine all nonexempt portions of the records that I requested and I ask that you justify and deletions by citing specific exemptions of the FOIA
This is a continuing request into the future for 6 months.
If this is not the proper department, please forward to the Election Bureau/SOS.
I promise to pay reasonable search and duplication fees in connection with this request. (Note: The FOIA permit some fee reduction or waivers).
Please notify me if the charges will exceed ($20.00), so that I can decide whether to authorize a higher amount.
Thank you for your assistance, I look forward to receiving your reply within five business days, as required by law.

Sincerely,
Robert Johnson
123 Main St
Anywhere , CA

Cc: Clerk of the US Supreme Court
One First Street N.E.
Washington, DC 20543
FAX: (209) 479-3021

WARNING
Should any person try to cover up this request or documents herein, BE YOU HEREBY PUT ON NOTICE: You may be indicted under USC Title 18 Sec. 3. 4, 2381, 2382, 2383, and 2384. Also, 4 U.S.C. & 101, federal law requires all state employees and officers take an oath of office and records kept of such administered oath.
Jeannie.price@sos.alabama.gov,governor@alaska.gov,governorsoffice@asg-gov.net,
sosadmin@azsos.gov,sos@sosmail.state.ar.us,constituentaffairs@sos.ca.gov,
secretary@state.co.us ,susan.bysiewicz@po.state.ct.us ,lorilee.harrison@state.de.us ,
Stephanie.scott@dc.gov,secretaryofstate@dos.state.fl.us,sosweb@sos.state.ga.us,
elections@aloha.net,sosinfo@sos.idaho.gov,JWhite@ilos.net,
constituentservices@sos.in.gov,sos@sos.state.ia.us,kssos@kssos.org,sos.secretary@ky.gov,
bobby.jindal@la.gov,sos.office@maine.gov,bmorris@sos.state.md.us,
agoweb@state.ma.us,secretary@michigan.gov,secretary.state@state.mn.us,
administrator@sos.state.ms.us,sosmain@sos.mo.gov,sos@mt.gov,receptionist@sos.ne.gov,
sosmail@sos.nv.gov,elections@sos.state.nh.us,feedback@sos.state.nj.us,
nmsos@state.nm.us,info@dos.state.ny.us,emarshal@sosnc.com,sos@nd.gov,
tworley@sos.state.oh.us,governor@gov.state.ok.us,Oregon.sos@state.or.us,
pcortes@state.pa.us,correo@fortaleza.gobierno.pr,comments@sec.state.ri.us,
rdaggerhart@sos.sc.gov,sdsos@state.sd.us,phil.bredesen@state.tn.us,
secretary@sos.state.tx.us,mshurtleff@utah.gov,dmarkowitz@sec.state.vt.us,
justice@usvi.org,soc@governor.virginia.gov,mail@secstate.wa.gov,
wvsos@wvsos.com,wigov@gov.state.wi.us,secofstate@state.wy.us,

People keep questioning McCain's citizenship because he was born in PANAMA,... Yes, He Was, but... any children born to U.S. MILITARY PERSONEL, particularly ON a Military Installation, or With 2 AMERICAN PARENTS ANYWHERE in the WORLD... IS A NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN,...

The claim is OBAMA was born elsewhere in the world... NOT on U.S. CONTROLLED TERRITORY and NOT of 2 American parents.

I believe he SHOULD have to prove it.
It's a constitutional requirement for God's sake. He SHOULD'VE had to prove it to even ENTER the U.S. Presidential arena in the 1st place.