It apears that the State of Florida, as well as every other state, is required to verify that every candidate running for offic, as well as for the office of President, is legally qualified to be place on the State's ballot. (Remember, third party candidates work very hard to qualify in every state.)

Berg may have made a very costly tactical error by not filing in several states as well in the Federal District Court.

The Federal judges are famous for dismissing valid complaints for procedual reasons; that is, any excuse to protect a corrupt politician. In this case, something very definitly smells in Kenya and Indonesia, something that the court must address if citizens are to continue to have confidence in our voting process.

Folks interested in this case and in evaluating the truth or veracity of the claims made should, after visiting the links above...

Visit More ... , which is in the process of evaluating the PUBLIC information available regarding the allegations, as well as some of the legal arguments made.

Reading BOTH of the websites - obamacrimes and whatsyourevidence - provides interested individuals with information from which you can draw your own conclusions - regardless of political views.

Filling in every STATE may seem like a mistake or not.... BUT "WE THE PEOLE" ARE GETTING UPSET HOW THE LAWS RULES AND THE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO JERK US AROUND....THIS HAS TO STOP NOW!!!!! ...
WERE PAST SICK OF THE JOKED
PLAYED EACH AND EVERY DAY.....WAKE UP AMERICA PLEASE......THIS IS SERIOUS AND NEED TO BE ADDRESS NOW....STAND UP AND LETS GET OUR TRUTH!!!!
I WANT THE PAPERS SHOW .....I WAN'T AND DEMAND THE JUDGE IN THIS CASE...TAKE THIS LIKE OURS AND HIS LIFE DEPENDS ON A HONEST ANSWER.....THANKS
USA TOGETHER WE STAND FOR SOMETHING....IF NOT NOW.....WHEN????

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According to Indonesian law at the time, Indonesia didn't not recognize duel citizenship. The only way Obama could have attended public school in Indonesia was to expatriate his US citizenship.Did Obama just drop off the US radar for a few years or did this require some sort of confermation from the US government.

As a native-born citizen of the United States, I am sick and tired of Congressional committees and federal and state courts flouting the law and cavalierly ignoring their legal responsibilities. No private citizen would get away with this. Yet the people's elected and appointed employees can do anything they want, with no supervision and no consequences.

Where are the almighty Department of Justice, the FBI, and President Bush in this absurd situation? How can there be any question whether the leading contender for President, in an election now less than one month away, is Constitutionally qualified for federal office? Do we still have a rule of law in this country? Obama must put up or shut up. The government officials responsible for this outrageous default should be impeached and prosecuted.

----------The Fly said “According to Indonesian law at the time, Indonesia didn't not recognize duel citizenship. The only way Obama could have attended public school in Indonesia was to expatriate his US citizenship. Did Obama just drop off the US radar for a few years or did this require some sort of conf[i]rmation from the US government.” ----------

You are correct that Berg alleges that “The only way Obama could have attended public school in Indonesia was to expatriate his US citizenship.” However, that is based on Berg’s interpretation of Indonesian law. Given his suspect interpretation of multiple US laws, there remains a wide open question as to the veracity of his interpretation of Indonesian law. (See More ... for just a few examples of analysis of Berg’s legal logic.)

However – regardless of that point, the fact is that US law in effect at the time that Obama went to and returned from Indonesia, expressly stated that a minor did NOT lose his citizenship by virtue of any of his parent’s actions, so long as he returned to the US and established permanent residency before age 25. See Immigration & Nationality Act of 1952, sections 349(a) and 355:

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“... Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday: ....” [349(a)]
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“....Provided, That, in such case, United States nationality shall not be lost as the result of loss of United States nationality by the parent unless and until the person attains the age of twenty-five years without having established his residence in the United States.” [s355]
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See PDFs of applicable law at More ...

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Recently, Berg as added a new twist, arguing that Indonesian law on this issue takes precedence over the US law, under Article 4 of the Hague Convention of 1940. (See Opposition to Motion to Dismiss at 29.) However, once again Berg’s analysis is suspect. Article 4 merely states as follows: "A State may not afford diplomatic protection to one of its nationals against a State whose nationality such person also possesses."
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Thus, the most that can be said about Article 4 is that IF Obama somehow became an Indonesian citizenship by operation of Indonesian law, and IF, while he was there in the late 1960s, some international incident occurred and the US attempted to intervene on his behalf, THEN it would not have been able to do so.

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However, Obama returned to the US in 1970/71 and under applicable law at the time (quoted above), he had not lost his US citizenship. Which means that IF Indonesia didn’t recognize dual citizenship at that time (and I’m pretty sure it didn’t), THEN he lost whatever claim to Indonesian citizenship he may have ever had.

It seems to me all Obama had to do was show the court his BC and the other papers and this would be over,, simple. Now he has hired the lawyer from CAIR to defend him,, nasty guy..I can't understand why. It makes me think Obama isn't a citizen.

I mean if you don't have a problem showing it(birth cert) on the web then why would you with a federal judge?
And if you say your papers are all in order and correct,, wouldn't you want this lawsuit over??

Seems that the rule of law is not in effect...or randomly applied. Obama will not have to answer to this. Just like Bill Ayers did not have to answer to his gross crimes. Ayers did the same thing as Tim McVey, they blew up Federal Buildings and killed people (Ayres multiple times). McVey is rotting in the ground and Ayres is a college professor and never had to stand trial. It is just who you know that counts...not the "LAW". Google Naomi Wolf and she says that the final stage in starting a facist government is the lack of the rule of law...we are there.

One of the Lawyers representing Obama is Joe Sandler (sandler@sandlerreiff.com) of the Washington law firm Sandler, Reiff, and Young.

Mr. Sandler represents the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). CAIR is an organization with terrorist ties, and has been as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Holyland Foundation Hamas Funding trial.

Sandler's role for CAIR has been to stifle people from telling the truth about Islam. For example, last year he tried to get Jihad Expert Robert Spencer banned from speaking to the Young American Foundation, by using a threatening letter. Sandler followed up by threatening columnist Mike Adams for writing about the Spencer incident.

Why is a candidate for President of the United States, a guy who wants to take over the role of Commander-in-Chief in the war on terror, using the Lawyer for CAIR a group with terrorist connections, to represent him in a law suit?

Not only why won't the Obama campaign present the birth certificate to the court, why is the serial number blacked out? That makes me wonder if the forgery charges have some merit. If you have the proof, why wouldn't you just submit it and be done with it? Seems fishy.

The current federal lawsuit includes the State of Pennsylvania as a defendant and is asking that Obama be removed from the ballot there. According to the documents on the website, Berg claims to have documentation showing that Obama was born in Coastal Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya. Berg further claims that Obama's mother returned to Hawaii immediately after the birth and registered the birth there. My question is with such serious issues, why is there zero coverage of this lawsuit in the media?

The more you dig into Obama, the smellier it gets. His 20 years Rev. Wright relationship, Ayer, ACORN sponsorship, Pork Barrelling 900 million to Chicago, makes you think why the media has been soooo quiet. He has hired a CARIR lawyer paid by Iran, he might also get in touch with Ahmadinejad for some fake documents. Iranians are expert at it, recently two of Ahmadinejad ministers admiited to havinf false doctoral certificates.

LOL.. Obviously this guy is a wack. The same guy that tried to sue Bush for 911.

Here is the real deal..

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Before the way two lawsuits like this against Mccain has already been thrown out

Odinga/Obama, Obama/Odinga, Odinga/Obama,,,,cousins and birds of a feather. Both campaign under the 'change' banner using similar strategy. Obama campaigns in Kenya for Odinga. Odinga brings murder and destruction when he is defeated. lord help our country...

The cases against McCain were thrown out because He provided his "papers" and proved that he was a natural born citizen.

Actually McCain's birth certificate, which is now widely available on the web and not challenged by McCain, indicates that he was born in the main (and only) hospital in Colon, Republic of Panama. That hospital was not in the Canal Zone (American territory). In fact there was no other real hospital at the time at the Atlantic end of the Canal. The Colon hospital was the only "modern" hospital in the entire region. McCain's mother says that his birth cerificate is innacurate, that unlike all other military personnel stationed there, she stayed on the small Naval base to have her child -- at a small dispensary in the Canal Zone. She must have been concerned at the time that he would not be eligible to be president when he grew up. She has no explanation for the errors in his birth certificate.

Please get this OUT and straightened out before the election.
Why can't Obama tell us the truth???

The reason Obama gets by with so much is because the mainstream media has already selected him as President. We knew more about Joe the Plumber after 24 hours, than we do about Obama after 2 years. Why is this? We only know what he wants us to know. He mentioned at a rally that McCain called him a socialist. He didn't say he wasn't--he just mentioned that McCain called him one. Whenever anyone has negative info on Obama, it's "racial" or he says "Let's talk about the economy." There was a big deal about McCain not releasing his medical records when Obama has not released his school records, his medical records, his BIRTH CERTIFICATE. If he wants the suit to go away, all he has to do is produce a birth certificate and he won't even do that. He plays on words. His website says ACORN never "hired" him to work for them. That's because he volunteered. He didn't say he never worked for them. He just said they didn't hire him. See the pattern?

Please... go to factcheck.org to see the veracity of the birth certificate...

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Then please read the Immigration & Nationality Act of 1952, sections 349(a) and 355: pointed out by wye above...

... or just rail and complain like a bunch of whinny partisan hacks that can't stand the idea that McCain sucks as a candidate, and hang on to any desparate loop-hole that will uphold your tenuous grip on reality.

"Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

HE IS THE SON OF AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, BORN IN AMERICA. Jesus Christ, the only people concerned with these stupid technicalities are either ignorant morons or people in the bag for McCain, looking for any excuse to get Barack to lose. This is disgusting.

1) Obama ued the name Barry Saetoro when he went to school in Indeonesia

sorry for double post hitting CR posts on here apparently. 2) On the paperwork his citizenship was noted as Indonesian 3) his religion was noted as Islam 4) if you were not Indonesian or Islamic you were not allowed to attend that school 5) he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian Passport when he was college age. 6) he has denied ever having any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama 7) his grandmother has said that she was present at his birth in kenya

The validity of Obama's supposed "birth certificate" has been verified by a website -- that should inspire confidence in all of us. After all, "I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true," right?

The importance of this issue demands that the actual original document, bearing the signature of the attending physician or nurse, the birth weight and length, and other pertinent facts regarding his birth be provided, not a computer-generated current-day summary cobbled together from entries in the State of Hawaii computer system.

The provided certificate is nothing more than a representation of the data contained in the computer systems in Hawaii. That this information could have been entered into the computer system without an original is entirely possible. The only definitive proof would be the existence of the unaltered original document from 1961. I am confident that if it actually exists, the State of Hawaii has it in its document archives. Mr. Obama, either put up, or shut up and get out of the race.

Law and Order:

You state: “1) Obama ued (sic) the name Barry Saetoro (sic) when he went to school in Indeonesia (sic) 2) On the paperwork his citizenship was noted as Indonesian 3) his religion was noted as Islam”

You are correct to the extent that an AP photo of an Indonesian school record shows that someone listed Obama as “Barry Soetoro” on the school registry, and noted citizenship as Indonesian and religion as Islam. The AP story resulting from that photo indicated that the practice of listing one’s name under the Indonesian parent’s (father’s) name, nationality, and religion was a common practice. (Not sure if that’s true or not – that’s what they said).

You state: “4) if you were not Indonesian or Islamic you were not allowed to attend that school”

Berg does allege that in his complaint (as do others), but no evidence (or verifiable cites to law) have been provided to support that claim.

You state: “ 5) he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian Passport when he was college age.”

Berg alleges this in his complaint (as do others) , but provides no evidence of that claim, although he appears to “use” as evidence, his allegation that the State Department had issued a Travel Ban on Pakistan to support this claim. However, the allegation regarding the Travel Ban is demonstrably untrue. The US considered Pakistan a major ally in its work with the Afghans fighting the Russians, and gave billions of dollars to Pakistan. (That’s verifiably true information).

You state: “6) he has denied ever having any other name other than Barack Hussein Obama”

I don’t think that’s true. If you’re referring to the claims surrounding his Illinois Bar Application, that claim has been debunked by conservatives and liberals alike. See, e.g. this anti-Obama, conservative’s refutation: More ...

You state: “7) his grandmother has said that she was present at his birth in Kenya.”

Berg alleges this in his complaint (as do others), but no one provides any evidence to support that claim. In fact, another conservative (anti-Obama) blogger has debunked this claim at More ...

Diogenes

You state: “The validity of Obama's supposed "birth certificate" has been verified by a website -- that should inspire confidence in all of us. After all, "I saw it on the Internet, so it must be true," right?”

No. Anymore than internet claims that it’s a forgery should inspire confidence in that theory. However, the weight of evidence indicates, strongly, that the birth certificate is valid.

The very anti-Obama, conservative WorldNetDaily has conducted its own internal investigation and concluded that the COLB is authentic. See More ...

The conservative Washington Times has evaluated the COLB issue, and determined that the COLB is authentic. See More ...

The St. Petersburg Times/Congressional Quarterly has investigated the COLB issue, and determined that the COLB is authentic. See More ...

Representatives from the Hawaii DOH have verified the validity of the COLB (as noted in reports above).

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You state: “The importance of this issue demands that the actual original document, bearing the signature of the attending physician or nurse, the birth weight and length, and other pertinent facts regarding his birth be provided, not a computer-generated current-day summary cobbled together from entries in the State of Hawaii computer system.”

I respect your opinion. However, two things:
(a) You assume that that document exists when, in fact, for a variety of completely non-suspicious reasons, it may not exist. It is unclear whether original BCs were microfilmed or just data-entered into Hawaii DOH’s electronic system. What is clear is that the Hawaii DOH form request for a birth certificate does not permit people to request the so-called long form certificate.

(b) Query – what good would that do -- Unless they produce 100million+ original copies and distribute it to all Americans? If it gets filed in court, it will be “dispersed” via electronic file – through the internet. Someone, invariably, will look at the electronic scan and “find” “irregularities.”

Final Query: If the COLB, which lists date, location, and the information required to get a drivers’ license, to confirm citizenship for purposes of a job, and to obtain a US Passport (and, the Hawaii COLB does), why isn’t it good enough for this purpose.

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You state: “The provided certificate is nothing more than a representation of the data contained in the computer systems in Hawaii. That this information could have been entered into the computer system without an original is entirely possible. The only definitive proof would be the existence of the unaltered original document from 1961.”

As noted above, no one has confirmed, one way or another, whether an original exists and there valid reasons that one might not exist. However, what we do have are two “unaltered original documents from 1961” which report on his birth. The Honolulu Sunday Advertiser contained a Birth Announcement for Obama (with the heading “Health Bureau Statistics”); and the (Hawaii) Star-Bulletin also contained a similar announcement. See More ... More ... and More ...

I think it is interesting that the Obama cool aid drinkers find fault with this citizenship question. In Obama we have a child of the most corrupt political machine in Chicago, Taught by a domestic terrorist, studied under Jeramiah Wright, (20 years) I don't want to down grade preachers by referring to him as one. Additionally, we have a media that won't ask even the simpliest of prying questions to find out who the real Obama is, oh yea the birth certificate thing; either Mr Obama thinks his corruptions runs so deep that no current law matters, no law period matters, or we don't deserve the truth about his real birth certificate. Yes you democratic cool aid drinkers diserve the communism, Marxism, and many other isms, but I for one don't want you too distroy the greatest country ever on GODS plant earth with this charlatan. Lastly, you blasphemers should beware that GODS laws transcend even the isms. If you want to know how he feels "Present" comes to mind.

Even the African Press International has gotten into the frey. They are questioning obama also. He now has eight lawsuits in an many states. Also one is requiring the state of Hawaii to present the original "vault" birth certificate. The one filed by the doctor who was present at the delivery. If a hospital the name of the hospital. Also the occupations of the parents etc.

Brian this is an interesting issue. Tomorrow I'll have a post on the comments and what they all seem to mean. Visit me at the Des Moines, Iowa market site and see another observation. Good luck with the radio show commentary on this subject.

According to Jeff Schrieber at www.America'sRight.com, and The Philadelphia Daily News, the Court has dismissed Berg's complaint, supported by a 34-page memorandum.
The Philadelphia Daily News reports that
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.
Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."
(Emphasis added).
Jeff, at www.America'sRight.com reports that Surrick expressed dissatisfaction with the type of "evidence" Berg provided to support his allegations. From the Court's opinion: ".... To support his contention, Plaintiff cites sources as varied as the Rainbow Edition News Letter … and the television news tabloid Inside Edition. ..."
Jeff reports that Surrick also noted Berg's misinterpretation of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
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Jeff also notes that Berg "will issue a press release today detailing his plans to appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court."

Philly link: More ...

According to Jeff Schrieber at www.America'sRight.com, and The Philadelphia Daily News, the Court has dismissed Berg's complaint, supported by a 34-page memorandum.

The Philadelphia Daily News reports that
In a 34-page memorandum and opinion, the judge said Berg's allegations of harm were "too vague and too attenuated" to confer standing on him or any other voters.

Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

The judge also said the harm Berg alleged did "not constitute an injury in fact" and Berg's arguments to the contrary "ventured into the unreasonable."

Jeff, at www.America'sRight.com reports that Surrick expressed dissatisfaction with the type of "evidence" Berg provided to support his allegations. From the Court's opinion: ".... To support his contention, Plaintiff cites sources as varied as the Rainbow Edition News Letter … and the television news tabloid Inside Edition. ..."

Jeff reports that Surrick also noted Berg's misinterpretation of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

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Jeff also notes that Berg "will issue a press release today detailing his plans to appeal to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals and then to the United States Supreme Court."

Philly link: More ...

STATE DECLARES OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE GENUINE

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"HONOLULU – State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest."
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Would it not seem logical that the people of America have a "tangible interest" in seeing the birth certificate!!!!!

To receive a certificate of birth is as easy as a mother bringing a baby in and SWEARING under oath the child was born in Hawaii. Please look at the link below from Hawaii.gov If my birth was in question I would submit my "LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE" which can only be obtained if the child was born in a hospital in Hawaii. More ...

To receive a certificate of birth is as easy as a mother bringing a baby in and SWEARING under oath the child was born in Hawaii. Please look at the link below from Hawaii.gov If my birth was in question I would submit my "LIVE BIRTH CERTIFICATE" which can only be obtained if the child was born in a hospital in Hawaii. More ...

I simply cannot believe the gullibility of the American people. Barack HUSSEIN Obama, whose entire family tree is muslim is .. a protestant. He says he is a citizen.. and they all line up to believe him. I applied for a menial job that required a birth certificate. And by menial I mean WAY less important in the food chain than President of the United States! They DEMANDED a valid birth certificate. And would not hire me without it!! Obama owes us this respect. But NO ONE is holding him accountable & he is too ARROGANT to feel he should be held to the same standard as ordinary 'folk'. If he's got one, he needs to produce it like the rest of us!!!!

I've been reading all your comments..both pro and con. I agree with Walter.. When I have applied for jobs.. all of them, in fact.. I had to cough-up a birth certificate. It's just standard procedure and shouldn't be a big deal. Unless you don't have one. Or you have something to hide. Nothing to hide.. no problem.. dig it out of the safe-deposit box and take it to the newspaper or the tv show. Stand up like a MAN and account for yourself. Shouldn't be a problem...